, (Source: https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641). This has never been formally changed by the Holy See, in spite of Pope Francis' recent indults allowing the Society to hear confessions — a benefit provided explicitly for the good of the faithful in the Jubilee Year of Mercy, and extended indefinitely. The report (the transcript of which has been taken offline by CM, see PDF here) was extensive but, sadly, full of editorializing comments. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it… A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. EWTN was quick to take down the works of Father George W. Rutler Church Militant still has the works of Father George W. Rutler up on their website. Those who attentively read the Society of Saint Pius X’s (SSPX’s) response to recent reports by Church Militant will, if they keep the full text of those reports in mind, be as struck by its failure to attempt a refutation of certain allegations as Sherlock Holmes was by the dog who didn’t bark in the night, and whose passivity showed that the criminal wasn’t a stranger to him. The priest in question, Father James McLucas, is a diocesan priest. Press Release Concerning Church Militant Article Regarding the SSPX – District of the USA . Film at 11. What CMTV did, is theyve finally led us all to be convinced that theyre on the side of Pope Francis and his un-Catholicism. Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. The excommunications have been lifted, but the canonical status of the SSPX remains unchanged. ]” The SSPX has consistently refused the most generous and magnanimous invitations from the Church to reconcile and place itself under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined "full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church," a power "ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful" ("The Pope Exercises Supreme Jurisdiction" [Original Italian here]). 22, we reported on a Church Militant investigative piece about the Society of St. Pius X and sexual abuse. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. Be notified each time a new post appears on our blog! "Fr. https://novusordowatch.org/2020/04/sex-abuse-coverup-by-sspx-clergy Re: SSPX Issues Second Statement Regarding Church Militant Accusations « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 06:38:31 PM » Quote from: ermy_law on April 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM As some will know I am not a believer but fascinated by the phenomenon of belief. Denounces “slanderous piece of yellow journalism”…, [UPDATE 24-APR-2020 03:00 UTC: Church Militant‘s Response to SSPX]. I know that Michael Voris is no friend or supporter of the SSPX, but Church Militant has done some in depth investigation into the abuse scandals and corruption that have plagued our Church. The SSPX bishops were excommunicated and their illicit consecrations defined as schismatic in the motu proprio Ecclesia Dei issued July 2, 1988. It has been accused of having “sympathy for perverts” (sic) and of covering up for some of its members or employees who may have been guilty of misconduct. George William Rutler, 75, is accused of watching pornography and masturbating in front of the guard, Ashley Gonzalez, 22, without her consent in his office at the Church of St. Michael the Archangel. You are not signed in as a Premium user; Premium users get 10% discount in the store! In fact, we intend this to be the last post on this topic. Do these Priest care nothing for the good name of the 1000 Priests and Religious of the SSPX? (For more on the broader question, please see: https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/the-trouble-with-lists-of-credibly-accused-pr… Abbet’s trial. Those who attentively read the Society of Saint Pius X’s (SSPX’s) response to recent reports by Church Militant will, if they keep the full text of those reports in mind, be as struck by its failure to attempt a refutation of certain allegations as Sherlock Holmes was by the dog who didn’t bark in the night, and whose passivity showed that the criminal wasn’t a stranger to him. Nicholas Stamos wishes to make clear: he has never heard of, nor spoken to, the author of this article. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual … Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Bishop Athanasius Schneider commented on the fact that “from various sides,” the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has been made a target of attacks in connection with cases of sexual abuse (LifeSiteNews.com, December 3). We are well aware of ongoing dialogue between the SSPX and Rome. James McLucas, a diocesan priest who occasionally helps the Society of Saint Pius X. Refinishing the Great Facade: The Vatican, the SSPX, and the “Restoration of Tradition”, SSPX responds to ‘Church Militant’ Report on Sexual Abuse, Look up the US District’s website on the Protection of Children >, https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641, For Year’s End, a little Novus Ordo Humor…, Priest in 1955: Apocalypse indicates Satan may try to impede Papal Election to cause Long-Term Vacancy, Apostasy in Latin: Modernist Fr. In fact, it is only one side/website which attacks the SSPX, i.e., ChurchMilitant.com while constantly complaing that no Catholic website is jumping on that bandwagon. The other side of the coin is you can't con an honest man. To describe those articles as “sleaze” is an understatement, by any standards. As we said in yesterday’s post, this whole matter is simply horrifying and tragic. Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. June 30, 2020 + JMJ. Hence the reason whey there is a sspx search link in the side bar. Always great to watch: Bp. Wegner never been investigated, charged, or convicted of any criminal wrongdoing, but the United States has mutual legal assistance treaties with both Austria and the European Union. Thank you! Fr. Prudence dictates caution when dealing with a tabloid, and we will not be so baited. Now a man named James Baresel and Church Militant have accused the SSPX in whole of sheltering a “sexual predator.” This has caused a stir in the Catholic blogosphere. However Church Militant suffers from both a huge narcissistic streak and SSPX derangement syndrome. The SSPX, Church Militant, and LifeSite: a response - YouTube As many of you know, the Society of St. Pius X … I appreciate the courtesy and charity of others here in putting up with me. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-ganswein-pope-benedict-xvis-secretary-reflects-on-awful-2020-with-bunte-magazine-76558. Pierre de Maillard was suspended for allegedly abusing more than a dozen victims, he has been arrested in France and taken into custody to await criminal trial.Fr. Film at 11. An accusation is not evidence, and for the SSPX or any other ecclesial or public entity to approach an investigation believing otherwise would lead to more harm than good. A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. Church Militant’s headline on their first story covering abuse cases in the SSPX was titled, “SSPX: ‘Sympathetic to Perverts’”. In response, the Society criticized Church Millitant, writing that "it is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. John Emerson, FSSP: The Break With the SSPX", "A Canonical History of the Lefebvrite Schism", Problematic Statements of Abp. ]” Not only has Fr. Regardless of the outcome, or where the truth lies between the Church Militant and SSPX positions regarding these allegations, one thing seems pretty certain: the devil is laughing at us. They concern mostly historical sexual abuse allegations against priests of the Society of Saint Pius X, the poor/possibly criminal manner in which they were handled and the future… As far as I can tell, Voris and Dr. Marshall have clearly opposed views concerning the SSPX. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[. The position of Church Militant concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in the motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009: In the same spirit and with the same commitment to encouraging the resolution of all fractures and divisions in the Church and to healing a wound in the ecclesial fabric that was more and more painfully felt, I wished to remit the excommunication of the four Bishops illicitly ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre. Church Militant’s reporting since April has focused on a wide array of allegations against more than a dozen current and/or former SSPX priests in the United States and in Europe. I would like to weigh in on the SSPX/Church Militant controversy that began last week with the publication of (some known, others unknown) documents by Church Militant. Justice and charity demand that the Society not disclose publicly the nature of any investigations, both to protect the good names of the innocent and the privacy of alleged victims. McLucas was named in the August 2018 Pennsylvania grand jury report. INCIDENT: The priest, the Rev. if someone like Francis, McCarrick, or Biden said it. James … The SSPX does not deny that there have been serious and tragic individual cases of abuse committed by a discrete number of clergy and employees. Do you have any other articles that say the same thing? Today I have been … (emphasis added). Hungary’s Constitution Adds Protection for Children, Post-Election Special: All Hell Breaking Loose, Church Militant's Action Arm for Whistleblowers, Investigators, Fr. The SSPX is not in full communion with the Church and is invited by the Church to rediscover this path. That situation has since been rectified, and the U.S. District continues to update its internal policies to put them in line with best practices. SSPX.org statement on the Church Militant article here. Fr. Speaking of Church Militant’s methodology, we must draw attention to this sentence: "SSPX priest Nicholas Stamos informed me by phone on July 18 that McLucas is still participating in the organization's work." Sanborn explains the History of Christendom - how we got to where we are now... https://novusordowatch.org/2019/06/bishop-sanborn-history-of-christendom/ #CatholicTwitter #catholic. The SSPX has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[. I have for a long time been interested in the vehemence with which the SSPX promotes its views and have looked on with wonder as Church Militant pursues its own extraordinary course towards I know not what. We will be releasing detailed responses to every allegation. It is to be fervently hoped that this dialogue results in a return of the SSPX to full communion with the Church, granting its bishops and clergy canonical status and the authority to exercise ministry. Church Militant‘s short documentary describing the abuse allegations. It has been accused of having “sympathy for perverts” (sic) and of covering up for some of its members or employees who may have been guilty of misconduct. George William Rutler, 75, is accused of watching pornography and masturbating in front of the guard, Ashley Gonzalez, 22, without her consent in his office at the Church of St. Michael the Archangel. Marcel Lefebvre, "My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism" (external website). Novus Ordo Watch will move on to other topics. But there is precedent in the history of the Church — in the lives of the saints, in the life of Our Lord Himself — for risking or allowing oneself to be crushed by obedience. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. @DominieStemp Broken clock syndrome. According to French media, officials in La Roche-sur-Yon in the Vendée made the … How come the Priests associated with Church Militant remain silent on the attacks made against the SSPX by Niles and Voris. I’m a little leery of the Church Militant as a source. “This day is born to you a Savior” (Luke 2:11) – MERRY CHRISTMAS. To ignore the topic altogether would have been suspicious; to continually dwell on it, after people have been informed of the facts and the claims each side is making, is not necessary. The society is named after Pope Pius X, whose anti-Modernist stance the society stresses, retaining the Tridentine Mass and pre-Vatican II ritual books in Latin for the other sacraments. It is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. Fellay: Stop Protecting Predators", "SSPX Bishops Ordained Known Gay Predator", "SSPX Gave Pedophile Repeated Access to Boys". https://www.romereports.com/en/2021/01/01/stories-that-will-make-headlines-in-2021-popes-trip-to-iraq-and-reform-of-the-curia/, I've read the Privacy Policy and accept the Terms and Condition, Image source: shutterstock.com with SSPX logo added. SSPX.org statement on the Church Militant article here. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. SSPX Response . Any transfer of clergy across borders, which is a routine practice of the Society to carry out its worldwide apostolate, would not place them beyond the law, and Church Militant is wrong to insinuate otherwise and that the transfer has that purpose. This is true in other instances as well, though Church Militant neither bothered to report on such matters nor made inquiries on this matter to any official organ of the SSPX. Church Militant is concerned that SSPX laity may be naive people who are potentially being conned. 2. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Editor, Catholic Truth, writes… Our blogger, Athanasius, has now studied the recent articles about the SSPX published by the American organisation known as Church Militant (CM), which were brought to our attention recently. Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. The SSPX is committed to full transparency in all of these cases. Michael Voris, Church Militant. Instead, it exposed its own gross lack of ethics when it took private internal correspondence, which was accidentally sent to it and quoted from it out of context. Today, Apr. Michael Voris, Church Militant Editor, Catholic Truth, writes... Our blogger, Athanasius, has now studied the recent articles about the SSPX published by the American organisation known as Church Militant (CM), which were brought to our attention recently. This misleading and slanderous report deserves clarification. What Church Militant fails to report is that the Society cooperated with the Belgian authorities and stands by the results of Fr. Let’s pray for all involved. And I do wonder about all the Priests who are associated with Gary Voris Christine Niles and Church Militant. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. As Pope Benedict said, the SSPX has "no canonical status," "no legitimate ministry," is "invited to rediscover the path to full communion," has no faculties from any bishop, is not part of the divinely ordained hierarchical structure of the Church and all its priests are suspended a divinis. With this decision I intended to remove an impediment that might have jeopardized the opening of a door to dialogue and thereby to invite the Bishops and the "Society of St. Pius X" to rediscover the path to full communion with the Church​. On July 23, 2019, Michael Voris’ Church Militant (CM) organization published a rather shocking headline: “Is the SSPX Sheltering a Sexual Predator?” To briefly recap its contents, the author – James Baresel, “a freelance writer with degrees in philosophy and history” (CM’s description) – accused the leadership of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) of gross negligence (at best) and deliberate cover-up (at worst) in relation to Fr. INCIDENT: The priest, the Rev. Yesterday, Apr. The apparition is clearly fake, although of course our Blessed Mother is the Co-Redemptrix. Perhaps the SSPX fears it will be crushed by an unsympathetic hierarchy and pope. The main accusation centers around Fr. As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sexual misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. Re: SSPX Issues Second Statement Regarding Church Militant Accusations « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 06:38:31 PM » Quote from: ermy_law on April 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM Church Militant’s headline on their first story covering abuse cases in the SSPX was titled, “SSPX: ‘Sympathetic to Perverts’”. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it. As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sexual misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. Today, the U.S. district of the SSPX has published a response. Wegner’s six-year term as District Superior ends in August, and his transfer has been foreseen for months before this hit-piece saw the light of day. Church Militant issued an explosive report, detailing a number of allegations concerning sexual abuse and cover-up within the Society over the years. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual … The Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX or FSSPX; Latin: Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X) is an international priestly fraternity founded in 1970 by Marcel Lefebvre, a traditionalist French Archbishop.. Church Militant TV and friends aim to destroy the SSPX, and relegate the Catholic world to a life without sacraments forever. Humour: Church Militant vs SSPX - Caption Generator By Tradical. Traditional Catholicism, Pope Francis, Vatican II, Virgin Mary, Fatima, Our Lady of Akita, Pope Benedict, Jesus Christ, SSPX, John Paul II, Catholic Both charity and justice should be hallmarks of any Catholic. John Emerson, FSSP: The Break With the SSPX, A Canonical History of the Lefebvrite Schism. Church Militant issued an explosive report, detailing a number of allegations concerning sexual abuse and cover-up within the Society over the years. As some will know I am not a believer but fascinated by the phenomenon of belief. When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. As longtime Catholic Family News readers will recall, Michael Voris and his Church Militant organization have long since harbored a profoundly negative bias against the SSPX, routinely referring to the Society as “schismatic” and strongly warning Catholics not to attend Masses offered by SSPX priests – even going so far as to claim that Catholics “do not fulfill [their] Sunday and Holy Day obligations … However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. They believe they have the only right answer, and they have an unthinking hatred of the Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X (SSPX). Perhaps it is justified in such fearful apprehensions. A big thank-you to all the dear souls who contributed some last-minute financial support in 2020. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. The position of Church Militant concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in the motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009: EDIT: Church Militant report is a lot longer than I thought it’d be. The report (the transcript of which has been taken offline by CM, see PDF here) was extensive but, sadly, full of editorializing comments. Church Militantalso failed to respond to the SSPX after they asked the SSPX questions. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual abuse and immorality within the Society. License: paid and fair use, See the 25 most recent comments left on our blog: CLICK HERE. The habit of doing regular searches started when things were moving between the SSPX and Rome. EWTN was quick to take down the works of Father George W. Rutler Church Militant still has the works of Father George W. Rutler up on their website. Voris has stated in multiple Church Militant videos that the SSPX is schismatic "in fact" even though they have not been canonically declared as Regardless of the outcome, or where the truth lies between the Church Militant and SSPX positions regarding these allegations, one thing seems pretty certain: the devil is laughing at us. al. About a month ago, I posted about a blockbuster Church Militant story on sexual abuse scandal within the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, in particular in the town of St. Marys, Kansas, where the SSPX has a school and a big community. Until such time as the SSPX chooses to reconcile with the Church, Church Militant must support the judgment of the Holy Father and the Church concerning its status. The SSPX vs. Church Militant: What to make of this? Dr. Taylor Marshall vs Michael Voris of Church Militant: Debate on SSPX This is an idea I've been obsessing over for a little while now. Pierre de Maillard. Even though the information in the report was inaccurate, it has not stopped secular and Catholic outfits from labeling him a "sexual predator." When criminal wrongdoing is uncovered, however, the Society’s policy is to refer the matter to the appropriate public authorities. 1. Image source: shutterstock.com with SSPX logo added Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. We have let the accusers and the public record speak, and we have let the defense speak. Be notified each time a new post appears on our blog! Reconciliation of the SSPX with the Church would be a great blessing for the Church but most especially for the SSPX. 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This has never been formally changed by the Holy See, in spite of Pope Francis' recent indults allowing the Society to hear confessions — a benefit provided explicitly for the good of the faithful in the Jubilee Year of Mercy, and extended indefinitely. The report (the transcript of which has been taken offline by CM, see PDF here) was extensive but, sadly, full of editorializing comments. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it… A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. EWTN was quick to take down the works of Father George W. Rutler Church Militant still has the works of Father George W. Rutler up on their website. Those who attentively read the Society of Saint Pius X’s (SSPX’s) response to recent reports by Church Militant will, if they keep the full text of those reports in mind, be as struck by its failure to attempt a refutation of certain allegations as Sherlock Holmes was by the dog who didn’t bark in the night, and whose passivity showed that the criminal wasn’t a stranger to him. The priest in question, Father James McLucas, is a diocesan priest. Press Release Concerning Church Militant Article Regarding the SSPX – District of the USA . Film at 11. What CMTV did, is theyve finally led us all to be convinced that theyre on the side of Pope Francis and his un-Catholicism. Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. The excommunications have been lifted, but the canonical status of the SSPX remains unchanged. ]” The SSPX has consistently refused the most generous and magnanimous invitations from the Church to reconcile and place itself under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined "full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church," a power "ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful" ("The Pope Exercises Supreme Jurisdiction" [Original Italian here]). 22, we reported on a Church Militant investigative piece about the Society of St. Pius X and sexual abuse. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. Be notified each time a new post appears on our blog! "Fr. https://novusordowatch.org/2020/04/sex-abuse-coverup-by-sspx-clergy Re: SSPX Issues Second Statement Regarding Church Militant Accusations « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 06:38:31 PM » Quote from: ermy_law on April 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM As some will know I am not a believer but fascinated by the phenomenon of belief. Denounces “slanderous piece of yellow journalism”…, [UPDATE 24-APR-2020 03:00 UTC: Church Militant‘s Response to SSPX]. I know that Michael Voris is no friend or supporter of the SSPX, but Church Militant has done some in depth investigation into the abuse scandals and corruption that have plagued our Church. The SSPX bishops were excommunicated and their illicit consecrations defined as schismatic in the motu proprio Ecclesia Dei issued July 2, 1988. It has been accused of having “sympathy for perverts” (sic) and of covering up for some of its members or employees who may have been guilty of misconduct. George William Rutler, 75, is accused of watching pornography and masturbating in front of the guard, Ashley Gonzalez, 22, without her consent in his office at the Church of St. Michael the Archangel. You are not signed in as a Premium user; Premium users get 10% discount in the store! In fact, we intend this to be the last post on this topic. Do these Priest care nothing for the good name of the 1000 Priests and Religious of the SSPX? (For more on the broader question, please see: https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/the-trouble-with-lists-of-credibly-accused-pr… Abbet’s trial. Those who attentively read the Society of Saint Pius X’s (SSPX’s) response to recent reports by Church Militant will, if they keep the full text of those reports in mind, be as struck by its failure to attempt a refutation of certain allegations as Sherlock Holmes was by the dog who didn’t bark in the night, and whose passivity showed that the criminal wasn’t a stranger to him. Nicholas Stamos wishes to make clear: he has never heard of, nor spoken to, the author of this article. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual … Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Bishop Athanasius Schneider commented on the fact that “from various sides,” the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has been made a target of attacks in connection with cases of sexual abuse (LifeSiteNews.com, December 3). We are well aware of ongoing dialogue between the SSPX and Rome. James McLucas, a diocesan priest who occasionally helps the Society of Saint Pius X. Refinishing the Great Facade: The Vatican, the SSPX, and the “Restoration of Tradition”, SSPX responds to ‘Church Militant’ Report on Sexual Abuse, Look up the US District’s website on the Protection of Children >, https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641, For Year’s End, a little Novus Ordo Humor…, Priest in 1955: Apocalypse indicates Satan may try to impede Papal Election to cause Long-Term Vacancy, Apostasy in Latin: Modernist Fr. In fact, it is only one side/website which attacks the SSPX, i.e., ChurchMilitant.com while constantly complaing that no Catholic website is jumping on that bandwagon. The other side of the coin is you can't con an honest man. To describe those articles as “sleaze” is an understatement, by any standards. As we said in yesterday’s post, this whole matter is simply horrifying and tragic. Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. June 30, 2020 + JMJ. Hence the reason whey there is a sspx search link in the side bar. Always great to watch: Bp. Wegner never been investigated, charged, or convicted of any criminal wrongdoing, but the United States has mutual legal assistance treaties with both Austria and the European Union. Thank you! Fr. Prudence dictates caution when dealing with a tabloid, and we will not be so baited. Now a man named James Baresel and Church Militant have accused the SSPX in whole of sheltering a “sexual predator.” This has caused a stir in the Catholic blogosphere. However Church Militant suffers from both a huge narcissistic streak and SSPX derangement syndrome. The SSPX, Church Militant, and LifeSite: a response - YouTube As many of you know, the Society of St. Pius X … I appreciate the courtesy and charity of others here in putting up with me. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-ganswein-pope-benedict-xvis-secretary-reflects-on-awful-2020-with-bunte-magazine-76558. Pierre de Maillard was suspended for allegedly abusing more than a dozen victims, he has been arrested in France and taken into custody to await criminal trial.Fr. Film at 11. An accusation is not evidence, and for the SSPX or any other ecclesial or public entity to approach an investigation believing otherwise would lead to more harm than good. A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. Church Militant’s headline on their first story covering abuse cases in the SSPX was titled, “SSPX: ‘Sympathetic to Perverts’”. In response, the Society criticized Church Millitant, writing that "it is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. John Emerson, FSSP: The Break With the SSPX", "A Canonical History of the Lefebvrite Schism", Problematic Statements of Abp. ]” Not only has Fr. Regardless of the outcome, or where the truth lies between the Church Militant and SSPX positions regarding these allegations, one thing seems pretty certain: the devil is laughing at us. They concern mostly historical sexual abuse allegations against priests of the Society of Saint Pius X, the poor/possibly criminal manner in which they were handled and the future… As far as I can tell, Voris and Dr. Marshall have clearly opposed views concerning the SSPX. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[. The position of Church Militant concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in the motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009: In the same spirit and with the same commitment to encouraging the resolution of all fractures and divisions in the Church and to healing a wound in the ecclesial fabric that was more and more painfully felt, I wished to remit the excommunication of the four Bishops illicitly ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre. Church Militant’s reporting since April has focused on a wide array of allegations against more than a dozen current and/or former SSPX priests in the United States and in Europe. I would like to weigh in on the SSPX/Church Militant controversy that began last week with the publication of (some known, others unknown) documents by Church Militant. Justice and charity demand that the Society not disclose publicly the nature of any investigations, both to protect the good names of the innocent and the privacy of alleged victims. McLucas was named in the August 2018 Pennsylvania grand jury report. INCIDENT: The priest, the Rev. if someone like Francis, McCarrick, or Biden said it. James … The SSPX does not deny that there have been serious and tragic individual cases of abuse committed by a discrete number of clergy and employees. Do you have any other articles that say the same thing? Today I have been … (emphasis added). Hungary’s Constitution Adds Protection for Children, Post-Election Special: All Hell Breaking Loose, Church Militant's Action Arm for Whistleblowers, Investigators, Fr. The SSPX is not in full communion with the Church and is invited by the Church to rediscover this path. That situation has since been rectified, and the U.S. District continues to update its internal policies to put them in line with best practices. SSPX.org statement on the Church Militant article here. Fr. Speaking of Church Militant’s methodology, we must draw attention to this sentence: "SSPX priest Nicholas Stamos informed me by phone on July 18 that McLucas is still participating in the organization's work." Sanborn explains the History of Christendom - how we got to where we are now... https://novusordowatch.org/2019/06/bishop-sanborn-history-of-christendom/ #CatholicTwitter #catholic. The SSPX has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[. I have for a long time been interested in the vehemence with which the SSPX promotes its views and have looked on with wonder as Church Militant pursues its own extraordinary course towards I know not what. We will be releasing detailed responses to every allegation. It is to be fervently hoped that this dialogue results in a return of the SSPX to full communion with the Church, granting its bishops and clergy canonical status and the authority to exercise ministry. Church Militant‘s short documentary describing the abuse allegations. It has been accused of having “sympathy for perverts” (sic) and of covering up for some of its members or employees who may have been guilty of misconduct. George William Rutler, 75, is accused of watching pornography and masturbating in front of the guard, Ashley Gonzalez, 22, without her consent in his office at the Church of St. Michael the Archangel. Marcel Lefebvre, "My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism" (external website). Novus Ordo Watch will move on to other topics. But there is precedent in the history of the Church — in the lives of the saints, in the life of Our Lord Himself — for risking or allowing oneself to be crushed by obedience. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. @DominieStemp Broken clock syndrome. According to French media, officials in La Roche-sur-Yon in the Vendée made the … How come the Priests associated with Church Militant remain silent on the attacks made against the SSPX by Niles and Voris. I’m a little leery of the Church Militant as a source. “This day is born to you a Savior” (Luke 2:11) – MERRY CHRISTMAS. To ignore the topic altogether would have been suspicious; to continually dwell on it, after people have been informed of the facts and the claims each side is making, is not necessary. The society is named after Pope Pius X, whose anti-Modernist stance the society stresses, retaining the Tridentine Mass and pre-Vatican II ritual books in Latin for the other sacraments. It is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. Fellay: Stop Protecting Predators", "SSPX Bishops Ordained Known Gay Predator", "SSPX Gave Pedophile Repeated Access to Boys". https://www.romereports.com/en/2021/01/01/stories-that-will-make-headlines-in-2021-popes-trip-to-iraq-and-reform-of-the-curia/, I've read the Privacy Policy and accept the Terms and Condition, Image source: shutterstock.com with SSPX logo added. SSPX.org statement on the Church Militant article here. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. SSPX Response . Any transfer of clergy across borders, which is a routine practice of the Society to carry out its worldwide apostolate, would not place them beyond the law, and Church Militant is wrong to insinuate otherwise and that the transfer has that purpose. This is true in other instances as well, though Church Militant neither bothered to report on such matters nor made inquiries on this matter to any official organ of the SSPX. Church Militant is concerned that SSPX laity may be naive people who are potentially being conned. 2. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Editor, Catholic Truth, writes… Our blogger, Athanasius, has now studied the recent articles about the SSPX published by the American organisation known as Church Militant (CM), which were brought to our attention recently. Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. The SSPX is committed to full transparency in all of these cases. Michael Voris, Church Militant. Instead, it exposed its own gross lack of ethics when it took private internal correspondence, which was accidentally sent to it and quoted from it out of context. Today, Apr. Michael Voris, Church Militant Editor, Catholic Truth, writes... Our blogger, Athanasius, has now studied the recent articles about the SSPX published by the American organisation known as Church Militant (CM), which were brought to our attention recently. This misleading and slanderous report deserves clarification. What Church Militant fails to report is that the Society cooperated with the Belgian authorities and stands by the results of Fr. Let’s pray for all involved. And I do wonder about all the Priests who are associated with Gary Voris Christine Niles and Church Militant. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. As Pope Benedict said, the SSPX has "no canonical status," "no legitimate ministry," is "invited to rediscover the path to full communion," has no faculties from any bishop, is not part of the divinely ordained hierarchical structure of the Church and all its priests are suspended a divinis. With this decision I intended to remove an impediment that might have jeopardized the opening of a door to dialogue and thereby to invite the Bishops and the "Society of St. Pius X" to rediscover the path to full communion with the Church​. On July 23, 2019, Michael Voris’ Church Militant (CM) organization published a rather shocking headline: “Is the SSPX Sheltering a Sexual Predator?” To briefly recap its contents, the author – James Baresel, “a freelance writer with degrees in philosophy and history” (CM’s description) – accused the leadership of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) of gross negligence (at best) and deliberate cover-up (at worst) in relation to Fr. INCIDENT: The priest, the Rev. Yesterday, Apr. The apparition is clearly fake, although of course our Blessed Mother is the Co-Redemptrix. Perhaps the SSPX fears it will be crushed by an unsympathetic hierarchy and pope. The main accusation centers around Fr. As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sexual misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. Re: SSPX Issues Second Statement Regarding Church Militant Accusations « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 06:38:31 PM » Quote from: ermy_law on April 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM Church Militant’s headline on their first story covering abuse cases in the SSPX was titled, “SSPX: ‘Sympathetic to Perverts’”. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it. As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sexual misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. Today, the U.S. district of the SSPX has published a response. Wegner’s six-year term as District Superior ends in August, and his transfer has been foreseen for months before this hit-piece saw the light of day. Church Militant issued an explosive report, detailing a number of allegations concerning sexual abuse and cover-up within the Society over the years. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual … The Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX or FSSPX; Latin: Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X) is an international priestly fraternity founded in 1970 by Marcel Lefebvre, a traditionalist French Archbishop.. Church Militant TV and friends aim to destroy the SSPX, and relegate the Catholic world to a life without sacraments forever. Humour: Church Militant vs SSPX - Caption Generator By Tradical. Traditional Catholicism, Pope Francis, Vatican II, Virgin Mary, Fatima, Our Lady of Akita, Pope Benedict, Jesus Christ, SSPX, John Paul II, Catholic Both charity and justice should be hallmarks of any Catholic. John Emerson, FSSP: The Break With the SSPX, A Canonical History of the Lefebvrite Schism. Church Militant issued an explosive report, detailing a number of allegations concerning sexual abuse and cover-up within the Society over the years. As some will know I am not a believer but fascinated by the phenomenon of belief. When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. As longtime Catholic Family News readers will recall, Michael Voris and his Church Militant organization have long since harbored a profoundly negative bias against the SSPX, routinely referring to the Society as “schismatic” and strongly warning Catholics not to attend Masses offered by SSPX priests – even going so far as to claim that Catholics “do not fulfill [their] Sunday and Holy Day obligations … However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. They believe they have the only right answer, and they have an unthinking hatred of the Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X (SSPX). Perhaps it is justified in such fearful apprehensions. A big thank-you to all the dear souls who contributed some last-minute financial support in 2020. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. The position of Church Militant concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in the motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009: EDIT: Church Militant report is a lot longer than I thought it’d be. The report (the transcript of which has been taken offline by CM, see PDF here) was extensive but, sadly, full of editorializing comments. Church Militantalso failed to respond to the SSPX after they asked the SSPX questions. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual abuse and immorality within the Society. License: paid and fair use, See the 25 most recent comments left on our blog: CLICK HERE. The habit of doing regular searches started when things were moving between the SSPX and Rome. EWTN was quick to take down the works of Father George W. Rutler Church Militant still has the works of Father George W. Rutler up on their website. Voris has stated in multiple Church Militant videos that the SSPX is schismatic "in fact" even though they have not been canonically declared as Regardless of the outcome, or where the truth lies between the Church Militant and SSPX positions regarding these allegations, one thing seems pretty certain: the devil is laughing at us. al. About a month ago, I posted about a blockbuster Church Militant story on sexual abuse scandal within the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, in particular in the town of St. Marys, Kansas, where the SSPX has a school and a big community. Until such time as the SSPX chooses to reconcile with the Church, Church Militant must support the judgment of the Holy Father and the Church concerning its status. The SSPX vs. Church Militant: What to make of this? Dr. Taylor Marshall vs Michael Voris of Church Militant: Debate on SSPX This is an idea I've been obsessing over for a little while now. Pierre de Maillard. Even though the information in the report was inaccurate, it has not stopped secular and Catholic outfits from labeling him a "sexual predator." When criminal wrongdoing is uncovered, however, the Society’s policy is to refer the matter to the appropriate public authorities. 1. Image source: shutterstock.com with SSPX logo added Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. We have let the accusers and the public record speak, and we have let the defense speak. Be notified each time a new post appears on our blog! Reconciliation of the SSPX with the Church would be a great blessing for the Church but most especially for the SSPX. 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The SSPX, Church Militant, and LifeSite: a response By John-Henry Westen. About a month ago, I posted about a blockbuster Church Militant story on sexual abuse scandal within the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, in particular in the town of St. Marys, Kansas, where the SSPX has a school and a big community. As I explained in my Letter to the Catholic Bishops of last 10 March, the remission of the excommunication was a measure taken in the context of ecclesiastical discipline to free the individuals from the burden of conscience constituted by the most serious of ecclesiastical penalties. 22, 2020, the conservative Novus Ordo web site Church Militant has released a substantial report exposing rampant sexual abuse of minors in the Society of St. Pius X, especially in (but not limited to) the United States of America. Spotlight—SSPX: 'Sympathetic to Perverts', "SSPX Priest Dogged by French Sex Scandal", "SSPX Pedophile Priest Arrested in Switzerland", "SSPX Priest to Bp. Well Trump said it so they will support it. I appreciate the courtesy and charity of others here in putting up with me. Their lead reporter on the story Christine Niles has called the SSPX a “cult” and their CEO Michael Voris has, on Twitter, referred to the SSPX as a “Nazi pedophile cult.” Bishop Athanasius Schneider commented on the fact that “from various sides,” the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has been made a target of attacks in connection with cases of sexual abuse (LifeSiteNews.com, December 3). Here's something that came up in my regular SSPX news search. ChurchMilitant.com is a Catholic apostolate based in the metro Detroit, MI area that is dedicated to spreading the Catholic faith through the use of digital media. Even so, as the quoted passages make clear, the discussion did not center on covering up any public wrongdoing but focused instead on how best to respond to Church Militant’s inquiries. While not a member of the SSPX, Fr. Vatican reaffirms non-supernatural origins of alleged Marian apparition in Amsterdam - #CatholicTwitter #vatican, Vatican delivers a fittingly weird week to end a bizarre 2020 - #vatican #CatholicTwitter, Happy Feast of the Circumcsion of Our Blessed Lord Jesus Christ! Although I will say that this isn’t the first time SSPX has come under fire for abuse allegations.. EDIT: Church Militant report is a lot longer than I thought it’d be. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. Today I have been … This misleading and slanderous report deserves clarification. Church Militant’s reporting since April has focused on a wide array of allegations against more than a dozen current and/or former SSPX priests in the United States and in … MONTGARDIN, France (ChurchMilitant.com) – Days after Church Militant broke the news that longtime SSPX priest Fr. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. Look up the US District’s website on the Protection of Children >, (Source: https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641). This has never been formally changed by the Holy See, in spite of Pope Francis' recent indults allowing the Society to hear confessions — a benefit provided explicitly for the good of the faithful in the Jubilee Year of Mercy, and extended indefinitely. The report (the transcript of which has been taken offline by CM, see PDF here) was extensive but, sadly, full of editorializing comments. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it… A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. EWTN was quick to take down the works of Father George W. Rutler Church Militant still has the works of Father George W. Rutler up on their website. Those who attentively read the Society of Saint Pius X’s (SSPX’s) response to recent reports by Church Militant will, if they keep the full text of those reports in mind, be as struck by its failure to attempt a refutation of certain allegations as Sherlock Holmes was by the dog who didn’t bark in the night, and whose passivity showed that the criminal wasn’t a stranger to him. The priest in question, Father James McLucas, is a diocesan priest. Press Release Concerning Church Militant Article Regarding the SSPX – District of the USA . Film at 11. What CMTV did, is theyve finally led us all to be convinced that theyre on the side of Pope Francis and his un-Catholicism. Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. The excommunications have been lifted, but the canonical status of the SSPX remains unchanged. ]” The SSPX has consistently refused the most generous and magnanimous invitations from the Church to reconcile and place itself under the authority of the Vicar of Christ, rejecting his dogmatically defined "full power of shepherding, ruling and governing the universal Church," a power "ordinary and immediate over all the churches and over each and every member of the faithful" ("The Pope Exercises Supreme Jurisdiction" [Original Italian here]). 22, we reported on a Church Militant investigative piece about the Society of St. Pius X and sexual abuse. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. Be notified each time a new post appears on our blog! "Fr. https://novusordowatch.org/2020/04/sex-abuse-coverup-by-sspx-clergy Re: SSPX Issues Second Statement Regarding Church Militant Accusations « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 06:38:31 PM » Quote from: ermy_law on April 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM As some will know I am not a believer but fascinated by the phenomenon of belief. Denounces “slanderous piece of yellow journalism”…, [UPDATE 24-APR-2020 03:00 UTC: Church Militant‘s Response to SSPX]. I know that Michael Voris is no friend or supporter of the SSPX, but Church Militant has done some in depth investigation into the abuse scandals and corruption that have plagued our Church. The SSPX bishops were excommunicated and their illicit consecrations defined as schismatic in the motu proprio Ecclesia Dei issued July 2, 1988. It has been accused of having “sympathy for perverts” (sic) and of covering up for some of its members or employees who may have been guilty of misconduct. George William Rutler, 75, is accused of watching pornography and masturbating in front of the guard, Ashley Gonzalez, 22, without her consent in his office at the Church of St. Michael the Archangel. You are not signed in as a Premium user; Premium users get 10% discount in the store! In fact, we intend this to be the last post on this topic. Do these Priest care nothing for the good name of the 1000 Priests and Religious of the SSPX? (For more on the broader question, please see: https://catholicherald.co.uk/magazine/the-trouble-with-lists-of-credibly-accused-pr… Abbet’s trial. Those who attentively read the Society of Saint Pius X’s (SSPX’s) response to recent reports by Church Militant will, if they keep the full text of those reports in mind, be as struck by its failure to attempt a refutation of certain allegations as Sherlock Holmes was by the dog who didn’t bark in the night, and whose passivity showed that the criminal wasn’t a stranger to him. Nicholas Stamos wishes to make clear: he has never heard of, nor spoken to, the author of this article. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual … Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Bishop Athanasius Schneider commented on the fact that “from various sides,” the Society of St. Pius X (SSPX) has been made a target of attacks in connection with cases of sexual abuse (LifeSiteNews.com, December 3). We are well aware of ongoing dialogue between the SSPX and Rome. James McLucas, a diocesan priest who occasionally helps the Society of Saint Pius X. Refinishing the Great Facade: The Vatican, the SSPX, and the “Restoration of Tradition”, SSPX responds to ‘Church Militant’ Report on Sexual Abuse, Look up the US District’s website on the Protection of Children >, https://sspx.org/en/publications/newsletters/us-district-responds-church-militant-57641, For Year’s End, a little Novus Ordo Humor…, Priest in 1955: Apocalypse indicates Satan may try to impede Papal Election to cause Long-Term Vacancy, Apostasy in Latin: Modernist Fr. In fact, it is only one side/website which attacks the SSPX, i.e., ChurchMilitant.com while constantly complaing that no Catholic website is jumping on that bandwagon. The other side of the coin is you can't con an honest man. To describe those articles as “sleaze” is an understatement, by any standards. As we said in yesterday’s post, this whole matter is simply horrifying and tragic. Though no mention of this fact is made in Church Militant’s article, the SSPX publicly informed them of this fact in a press release issued last year. June 30, 2020 + JMJ. Hence the reason whey there is a sspx search link in the side bar. Always great to watch: Bp. Wegner never been investigated, charged, or convicted of any criminal wrongdoing, but the United States has mutual legal assistance treaties with both Austria and the European Union. Thank you! Fr. Prudence dictates caution when dealing with a tabloid, and we will not be so baited. Now a man named James Baresel and Church Militant have accused the SSPX in whole of sheltering a “sexual predator.” This has caused a stir in the Catholic blogosphere. However Church Militant suffers from both a huge narcissistic streak and SSPX derangement syndrome. The SSPX, Church Militant, and LifeSite: a response - YouTube As many of you know, the Society of St. Pius X … I appreciate the courtesy and charity of others here in putting up with me. https://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/archbishop-ganswein-pope-benedict-xvis-secretary-reflects-on-awful-2020-with-bunte-magazine-76558. Pierre de Maillard was suspended for allegedly abusing more than a dozen victims, he has been arrested in France and taken into custody to await criminal trial.Fr. Film at 11. An accusation is not evidence, and for the SSPX or any other ecclesial or public entity to approach an investigation believing otherwise would lead to more harm than good. A Statement of the SSPX concerning a Church Militant Media Campaign For the past week, the Society of Saint Pius X has been the subject of a media campaign conducted by the Church Militant website. Church Militant’s headline on their first story covering abuse cases in the SSPX was titled, “SSPX: ‘Sympathetic to Perverts’”. In response, the Society criticized Church Millitant, writing that "it is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. John Emerson, FSSP: The Break With the SSPX", "A Canonical History of the Lefebvrite Schism", Problematic Statements of Abp. ]” Not only has Fr. Regardless of the outcome, or where the truth lies between the Church Militant and SSPX positions regarding these allegations, one thing seems pretty certain: the devil is laughing at us. They concern mostly historical sexual abuse allegations against priests of the Society of Saint Pius X, the poor/possibly criminal manner in which they were handled and the future… As far as I can tell, Voris and Dr. Marshall have clearly opposed views concerning the SSPX. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[. The position of Church Militant concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in the motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009: In the same spirit and with the same commitment to encouraging the resolution of all fractures and divisions in the Church and to healing a wound in the ecclesial fabric that was more and more painfully felt, I wished to remit the excommunication of the four Bishops illicitly ordained by Archbishop Lefebvre. Church Militant’s reporting since April has focused on a wide array of allegations against more than a dozen current and/or former SSPX priests in the United States and in Europe. I would like to weigh in on the SSPX/Church Militant controversy that began last week with the publication of (some known, others unknown) documents by Church Militant. Justice and charity demand that the Society not disclose publicly the nature of any investigations, both to protect the good names of the innocent and the privacy of alleged victims. McLucas was named in the August 2018 Pennsylvania grand jury report. INCIDENT: The priest, the Rev. if someone like Francis, McCarrick, or Biden said it. James … The SSPX does not deny that there have been serious and tragic individual cases of abuse committed by a discrete number of clergy and employees. Do you have any other articles that say the same thing? Today I have been … (emphasis added). Hungary’s Constitution Adds Protection for Children, Post-Election Special: All Hell Breaking Loose, Church Militant's Action Arm for Whistleblowers, Investigators, Fr. The SSPX is not in full communion with the Church and is invited by the Church to rediscover this path. That situation has since been rectified, and the U.S. District continues to update its internal policies to put them in line with best practices. SSPX.org statement on the Church Militant article here. Fr. Speaking of Church Militant’s methodology, we must draw attention to this sentence: "SSPX priest Nicholas Stamos informed me by phone on July 18 that McLucas is still participating in the organization's work." Sanborn explains the History of Christendom - how we got to where we are now... https://novusordowatch.org/2019/06/bishop-sanborn-history-of-christendom/ #CatholicTwitter #catholic. The SSPX has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. Jurgen Wegner is scheduled to be transferred to Austria later this year “far from the reach of criminal prosecutors[. I have for a long time been interested in the vehemence with which the SSPX promotes its views and have looked on with wonder as Church Militant pursues its own extraordinary course towards I know not what. We will be releasing detailed responses to every allegation. It is to be fervently hoped that this dialogue results in a return of the SSPX to full communion with the Church, granting its bishops and clergy canonical status and the authority to exercise ministry. Church Militant‘s short documentary describing the abuse allegations. It has been accused of having “sympathy for perverts” (sic) and of covering up for some of its members or employees who may have been guilty of misconduct. George William Rutler, 75, is accused of watching pornography and masturbating in front of the guard, Ashley Gonzalez, 22, without her consent in his office at the Church of St. Michael the Archangel. Marcel Lefebvre, "My Journey out of the Lefebvre Schism" (external website). Novus Ordo Watch will move on to other topics. But there is precedent in the history of the Church — in the lives of the saints, in the life of Our Lord Himself — for risking or allowing oneself to be crushed by obedience. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. @DominieStemp Broken clock syndrome. According to French media, officials in La Roche-sur-Yon in the Vendée made the … How come the Priests associated with Church Militant remain silent on the attacks made against the SSPX by Niles and Voris. I’m a little leery of the Church Militant as a source. “This day is born to you a Savior” (Luke 2:11) – MERRY CHRISTMAS. To ignore the topic altogether would have been suspicious; to continually dwell on it, after people have been informed of the facts and the claims each side is making, is not necessary. The society is named after Pope Pius X, whose anti-Modernist stance the society stresses, retaining the Tridentine Mass and pre-Vatican II ritual books in Latin for the other sacraments. It is well-known that Church Militant is not a serious journalistic enterprise but a repository of sensationalized stories, hit pieces, and videos featuring the opinions of its controversial founder, Michael Voris. Fellay: Stop Protecting Predators", "SSPX Bishops Ordained Known Gay Predator", "SSPX Gave Pedophile Repeated Access to Boys". https://www.romereports.com/en/2021/01/01/stories-that-will-make-headlines-in-2021-popes-trip-to-iraq-and-reform-of-the-curia/, I've read the Privacy Policy and accept the Terms and Condition, Image source: shutterstock.com with SSPX logo added. SSPX.org statement on the Church Militant article here. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. SSPX Response . Any transfer of clergy across borders, which is a routine practice of the Society to carry out its worldwide apostolate, would not place them beyond the law, and Church Militant is wrong to insinuate otherwise and that the transfer has that purpose. This is true in other instances as well, though Church Militant neither bothered to report on such matters nor made inquiries on this matter to any official organ of the SSPX. Church Militant is concerned that SSPX laity may be naive people who are potentially being conned. 2. For instance, it alleged that U.S. District Superior Fr. Editor, Catholic Truth, writes… Our blogger, Athanasius, has now studied the recent articles about the SSPX published by the American organisation known as Church Militant (CM), which were brought to our attention recently. Instead, Church Militant repeatedly relies on hearsay, conjecture, and factual misstatements to paint the SSPX in a false light. The SSPX is committed to full transparency in all of these cases. Michael Voris, Church Militant. Instead, it exposed its own gross lack of ethics when it took private internal correspondence, which was accidentally sent to it and quoted from it out of context. Today, Apr. Michael Voris, Church Militant Editor, Catholic Truth, writes... Our blogger, Athanasius, has now studied the recent articles about the SSPX published by the American organisation known as Church Militant (CM), which were brought to our attention recently. This misleading and slanderous report deserves clarification. What Church Militant fails to report is that the Society cooperated with the Belgian authorities and stands by the results of Fr. Let’s pray for all involved. And I do wonder about all the Priests who are associated with Gary Voris Christine Niles and Church Militant. Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. As Pope Benedict said, the SSPX has "no canonical status," "no legitimate ministry," is "invited to rediscover the path to full communion," has no faculties from any bishop, is not part of the divinely ordained hierarchical structure of the Church and all its priests are suspended a divinis. With this decision I intended to remove an impediment that might have jeopardized the opening of a door to dialogue and thereby to invite the Bishops and the "Society of St. Pius X" to rediscover the path to full communion with the Church​. On July 23, 2019, Michael Voris’ Church Militant (CM) organization published a rather shocking headline: “Is the SSPX Sheltering a Sexual Predator?” To briefly recap its contents, the author – James Baresel, “a freelance writer with degrees in philosophy and history” (CM’s description) – accused the leadership of the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) of gross negligence (at best) and deliberate cover-up (at worst) in relation to Fr. INCIDENT: The priest, the Rev. Yesterday, Apr. The apparition is clearly fake, although of course our Blessed Mother is the Co-Redemptrix. Perhaps the SSPX fears it will be crushed by an unsympathetic hierarchy and pope. The main accusation centers around Fr. As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sexual misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. Re: SSPX Issues Second Statement Regarding Church Militant Accusations « Reply #14 on: April 25, 2020, 06:38:31 PM » Quote from: ermy_law on April 25, 2020, 05:47:12 PM Church Militant’s headline on their first story covering abuse cases in the SSPX was titled, “SSPX: ‘Sympathetic to Perverts’”. Regrettably, Church Militant failed to make any mention of it. As a primary and essential matter, the SSPX is committed to investigating all allegations of sexual misconduct by its clergy, religious, and lay employees. Today, the U.S. district of the SSPX has published a response. Wegner’s six-year term as District Superior ends in August, and his transfer has been foreseen for months before this hit-piece saw the light of day. Church Militant issued an explosive report, detailing a number of allegations concerning sexual abuse and cover-up within the Society over the years. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual … The Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX or FSSPX; Latin: Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X) is an international priestly fraternity founded in 1970 by Marcel Lefebvre, a traditionalist French Archbishop.. Church Militant TV and friends aim to destroy the SSPX, and relegate the Catholic world to a life without sacraments forever. Humour: Church Militant vs SSPX - Caption Generator By Tradical. Traditional Catholicism, Pope Francis, Vatican II, Virgin Mary, Fatima, Our Lady of Akita, Pope Benedict, Jesus Christ, SSPX, John Paul II, Catholic Both charity and justice should be hallmarks of any Catholic. John Emerson, FSSP: The Break With the SSPX, A Canonical History of the Lefebvrite Schism. Church Militant issued an explosive report, detailing a number of allegations concerning sexual abuse and cover-up within the Society over the years. As some will know I am not a believer but fascinated by the phenomenon of belief. When you pray, do not be like the hypocrites, who love to stand and pray in the synagogues and on street corners so that others may see them. As longtime Catholic Family News readers will recall, Michael Voris and his Church Militant organization have long since harbored a profoundly negative bias against the SSPX, routinely referring to the Society as “schismatic” and strongly warning Catholics not to attend Masses offered by SSPX priests – even going so far as to claim that Catholics “do not fulfill [their] Sunday and Holy Day obligations … However, the doctrinal questions obviously remain and until they are clarified the Society has no canonical status in the Church and its ministers cannot legitimately exercise any ministry. They believe they have the only right answer, and they have an unthinking hatred of the Fraternitas Sacerdotalis Sancti Pii X (SSPX). Perhaps it is justified in such fearful apprehensions. A big thank-you to all the dear souls who contributed some last-minute financial support in 2020. The Society also cooperates with all police or other official investigations into said misconduct when it violates the law, whether civil or ecclesiastical. Further, Church Militant has repeatedly used the SSPX’s name to generate web-clicks and revenue while hoping to stoke the fires of public controversy by baiting it into a war of words. The position of Church Militant concerning the SSPX is that of the Holy Father, Emeritus Pope Benedict XVI, as expressed in the motu proprio Ecclesiae Unitatem, issued July 2, 2009: EDIT: Church Militant report is a lot longer than I thought it’d be. The report (the transcript of which has been taken offline by CM, see PDF here) was extensive but, sadly, full of editorializing comments. Church Militantalso failed to respond to the SSPX after they asked the SSPX questions. On April 22, 2020, the website Church Militant published a story against the Society of Saint Pius X (SSPX) with the inflammatory title, “SSPX—Sympathetic to Perverts.” The story, among other things, purports to expose a culture of coverups regarding sexual abuse and immorality within the Society. License: paid and fair use, See the 25 most recent comments left on our blog: CLICK HERE. The habit of doing regular searches started when things were moving between the SSPX and Rome. EWTN was quick to take down the works of Father George W. Rutler Church Militant still has the works of Father George W. Rutler up on their website. Voris has stated in multiple Church Militant videos that the SSPX is schismatic "in fact" even though they have not been canonically declared as Regardless of the outcome, or where the truth lies between the Church Militant and SSPX positions regarding these allegations, one thing seems pretty certain: the devil is laughing at us. al. About a month ago, I posted about a blockbuster Church Militant story on sexual abuse scandal within the traditionalist Society of St. Pius X, in particular in the town of St. Marys, Kansas, where the SSPX has a school and a big community. Until such time as the SSPX chooses to reconcile with the Church, Church Militant must support the judgment of the Holy Father and the Church concerning its status. The SSPX vs. Church Militant: What to make of this? Dr. Taylor Marshall vs Michael Voris of Church Militant: Debate on SSPX This is an idea I've been obsessing over for a little while now. Pierre de Maillard. Even though the information in the report was inaccurate, it has not stopped secular and Catholic outfits from labeling him a "sexual predator." When criminal wrongdoing is uncovered, however, the Society’s policy is to refer the matter to the appropriate public authorities. 1. Image source: shutterstock.com with SSPX logo added Church Militant kept writing about it (read all its coverage here), and SSPX answered some of their charges, but I lost track of the back and forth. We have let the accusers and the public record speak, and we have let the defense speak. Be notified each time a new post appears on our blog! Reconciliation of the SSPX with the Church would be a great blessing for the Church but most especially for the SSPX. 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